× This is where you can share your Family Group discoveries. Post questions for your fellow Group participants or share brand new information. <strong>Start a new thread for each Family Group.</strong> If it becomes too long, start a new one.

Family Group 25 Abraham Phillips & David Phillips

  • brianph88
  • Topic Author
  • Offline
  • New Member
  • New Member
More
14 Nov 2017 21:21 #1798 by brianph88
I am a Decendent of Abraham Phillips DNA Family Group 25

I am Researching who Abraham Phillips father Was and Which Phillips Had a Cantrell Father. I am thinking that possibly David Phillips 1755 Caswell County Had a Cantrell Father. He is listed on the the Cantrell DNA testing website and tax records show John Cantrell lived in the same area that David was born in 1755.

As Far as Abraham Phillips I have seen alot of people listing his Parents as John & Polly Phillips I Can find no proof of this anywhere other than a guess that Judith McClung made in her book back in 1987, this was before dna testing & before a lot of information was available on the internet. I believe it is more likley that either David Phillips or his son Thomas Phillips would be Abraham's father.

Here is some information I have put together for David Phillips so far, not all if any of this can be correct because the Possible Relatives & Fathers listed below all come from different DNA Family Groups. Any help would be appreaciated.


David Phillips DNA Family Group 25
Born - December 24, 1755 Caswell County, North Carolina
Died - November 17, 1846 Jackson County, Tennessee


Possible Timeline Found on From ENC Phillips Group Wiki:
1755 -- 24 Dec. David born in Orange (now Caswell) co., NC
1780 -- David enlisted in Rev War from Guilford co., NC
1781 -- David enlisted 2nd time from Pittsylvania co., NC
1781 -- Discharged to Guilford co., NC
1787 -- David md. Agnes Ashley in Edgefield co., SC by Abram Marshall
1788 -- Son, Thomas b. in SC or GA
1797-1798 -- David on Washington co., TN tax list
1797 -- son, Charles b. in TN (prob. Wa. co.)
1798 -- thru 1811 lived in Buncombe co., NC, Blount, Cocke & Sevier counties, TN
1799 -- Son, Jacob b. in NC
1801 -- Son, Stephen b. in TN
1803 -- Dtr., Fanny born
1805 -- Son, James born
1805 -- David on Blount co., TN
1808 -- Dtr, Nancy b. in TN
1811-1826 -- David in White co., TN (tax/court/deed records)
1833 -- David in Jackson co. TN (pension appl).
1840 -- David & sons, Charles, Stephen, Jacob on census in Jackson co.
1846 -- 17 Nov. David, deceased, in Jackson co., TN
1864 -- 4 Jun. Agnes, deceased, in Putnam co., TN


Possible Father #1:John Cantrell - 1724 - 1803 Phillips DNA Family Group 25

Cantrell DNA testing website lists David Phillips as Haplogroup - Possible Lineage I When John Cantrell's Father is Listed and
In 1755 Where & When David Phillips Was Born John Cantrell is listed on the Orange County, NC CENSUS Early Tax Records, 1755-1779
1755 C536 CANTRELL John N/A N/A N/A Tax Roll

Possible Father or Step Father #2 DNA Family Group 8
William Phillips Born: 1725 Virginia Death: 1794 Orange County, North Carolina

From Abstracts Of Wills Recorded In Orange County, North Carolina 1752-1800
Will of WILLIAM PHILLIPS of' Orange County, N.C. Dated 9 May 1794
Wife: Elizabeth
Son Joel
Son David "tract where he now lives". (100 acres)
Son William tract where he now lives n bounded by Trousdell on Haw River.
Daus: Susannah and Pheby and Elizabeth
My four daughters by my first wife Mary, Lucy, Hannah, Sarah.
Executors: wife Elizabeth, sons David and Joel
Witnesses: William Rainey, Mary Simmons.
Note on back of will: 'Widowand Joel Ehillips qualified •


Possible Father or Step Father #4 DNA Group 2
Reuben Clement Phillips
I Found This Family Tree on heritageregistry.net by genealogist Richard Ripley, MA.

"I will note that I also found reference that both the Ruben Clement Phillips family & Cantrell Family atteded The Same Church in The mid 1700s. The Holy Trinity (Old Swedes) Church Wilmington, DE


Possible Uncle DNA Family Group 16
Abraham Phillips Born 6-25-1755 England, Death 3-23-1836 Rockingham County, NC.

David Stated in Court For His War Pension Application That His Uncle General Abraham Phillips Who Lived in Rockingham County North Carolina Had His Bith Record. His Dad or Most Likley Step Dad Might Be One of Abraham's Brothers.


Serivice Records For David & Abraham Phillips

PHILLIPS, DAVID Ancestor #: A205422
Service: NORTH CAROLINA – VIRGINIA Rank: PRIVATE
Birth: 12-24-1755 ORANGE CO NORTH CAROLINA
Death: 11-17-1846 JACKSON CO TENNESSEE
Pension Number: *W10890
Service Source: *W10890, BLWT 54235-160-55
Service Description: 1) CAPT BRASHEAR, MAJ BLAIR, COL O’NEAL, 1780 GUILFORD, NC
2) CAPT MORTON, MAJ LYTLE, COL WILSON, GEN GREENE, BATTLE OF GUILFORD COURTHOUSE, 1781 PITTSYLVANIA, VA


PHILLIPS, ABRAHAM Ancestor #: A090365
Service: NORTH CAROLINA Rank: CAPTAIN
Birth: 6-25-1755 ENGLAND
Death: 3-23-1836 ROCKINGHAM CO NORTH CAROLINA
Pension Number: R8184V
Service Source: R8184V
Service Description: 1) NC MILITIA,GEN.GREENE

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
14 Nov 2017 22:47 #1799 by rwphillips
Replied by rwphillips on topic Family Group 25 Abraham Phillips & David Phillips
Nancy Kiser can probably answer this question better than I can, but is it thought to be a NPE . Please know an NPE can occur without a surname change, such as infidelity, adoption or remarriage of a woman with children from a previous marriage when the children take the surname of their new step father.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
15 Nov 2017 12:20 - 15 Nov 2017 12:22 #1800 by NancyKiser
Replied by NancyKiser on topic Family Group 25 Abraham Phillips & David Phillips
The general theory right now is that David's mother, Elizabeth, had a secret affair with a Cantrell man while she was married to a Phillips man who was the brother of Abraham Philips. She raised David who was the result of that affair with the surname Phillips. Elizabeth named David Phillips and George Phillips as her sons in her will. A descendant of George has gotten tested and he matches the Y-DNA of Group 16, which also contains descendants of Abraham Phillips. The Y-DNA of descendants of her other son, David, match the Y-DNA of Group 25 which appears to have Cantrell Y-DNA.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • brianph88
  • Topic Author
  • Offline
  • New Member
  • New Member
More
16 Nov 2017 16:07 - 16 Nov 2017 17:11 #1801 by brianph88
That was what I was thinking, that must be the case since A descendant of George has gotten tested and he matches the Y-DNA of Group 16. Thank you mentioning about her will, I just looked at her will, I had always thought that Tomlin was her maiden name that must of been her last husband's name because she list's theses as her children in her will. Abraham Phillips was the executioner of the will.

George Phillips (Son)
David Phillips (Son)
Sara Bridges (Daughter,, Married William Bridges)
Charles Tomlin (Son)
John Tomlin (Son)
Sara Baker (Sister)
Job Baker (Sister's Husband)

The Phillips listed living in 1755 Orange County, NC Per. Tax Records Are:

PHILLIPS David 3 White Adults in Household
PHILLIPS David Junr. 1 White Adults in Household
PHILLIPS James 1 White Adults in Household
PHILLIPS John 1 White Adults in Household
PHILLIPS Stephen 2 White Adults in Household
PHILLIPS William 1 White Adults in Household
PHILLIPS John 1 White Adults in Household
PHILLIPS John 2 White Adults in Household

TOMLIN William 1 White Adults in Household
TOMLIN John 1 White Adults in Household

CANTRELL John 2 White Adults in Household
Attachments:

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • brianph88
  • Topic Author
  • Offline
  • New Member
  • New Member
More
17 Nov 2017 21:24 #1802 by brianph88
If anyone wants a larger copy of Elizabeth Tomlin's will let me know the file I uploaded came out really small, I also have David Phillips 80 page War Pension Application if anyone wants a copy of it.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
27 Apr 2019 18:19 #1832 by gpuser1DNA
Replied by gpuser1DNA on topic Family Group 25 Abraham Phillips & David Phillips
I would highly love a copy of Elizabeth Tomlin's will and also David Phillips 80 page war Pension Application please.

Abraham Phillips is my my lineage in Group 25. I am a Phillips by birth and that side of the family is my brick wall.

Thanks again

Please Log in to join the conversation.

Moderators: vapsmithNancyKiserMamie
Time to create page: 0.186 seconds